The
Feedback continues....
January
2, 2003 -- latin discussion
Janemas,
Could you tell where you got your info ? world data?
My friend who is a professor at UofT in sociology wants to know where
you got information too. He wants to check your sources. Your figures
may be correct. Except for Costa Rica. 90% and 90 % don't make a 100%.
But it seems to me, we must question these figures that you have.
Especially in a country like Mexico. Are you going to go everybody
and ask if there are mestizo or white? or indigenous? Or did this
make this evaluation ? -- Chincub
January
2, 2003 --Orisha wants to join the debate ;)
I'm
Cuban Heidy and you are telling me that my culture is low because
the spanish spoken in my music is "low class spanish? What can
we say then about norteñas and rancheras? are they some form
of Mexican classical music? or is music made by the people, sung like
the people speak? A little reality check for you, majority of the
world is poor, of humble background and not very sophisticated. My
music is suppose to lower me, yet you cultivate my bolero as if it
was God. Isn't Mexico the country with the largest class difference
in the continent? I do agree that Latinos are more than one culture
and that there are differences, lots of them. But you must understand
that once you emigrate all geographical gaps disappear for we are
sharing one country and our cultures, thanks to a common language,
mix producing one common culture, or maybe many cultures with lots
of convergent points.
January
2, 2003 -- To Chincub
Go to:
World Bank Data -- http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
Chincub
like all data (my belief)it's not 100% accurate but very very very
close. It's based on World Census. If you re-read the definition of
race, you would know that it's about physical characteristics, not
ethnicity. That bogus 1 drop rule (racist rule)is nothing but BS!
Blood does not determine ethnicity! On one note, PR did a DNA study
to find out if infact the Tainos were an extinct people. The people
that were picked were those whom you or I might nickname India or
Indio. You and I know there are many of thoses around. Many believed
that they were of spanish and african blood (even with the nick),
since the myth of extinct Tainos was thought to be true. What we were
truly seeing all along was african mixed with Taino, thus the explanation
for being a lighter negra o negro lindo! Do they have spanish blood?
Possible so. But not enough to make it dominant. You can have all
3 or 1/16 of either ethnic group, but what YOU look like is what determines
your race. The DNA study proved that over 56% of those tested were
of Taino ethnicity passed down by the mother. You can look it up under
PUERTO RICAN DNA STUDY. Maybe nowadays people will have more pride
in being indian than being white. I mean really, they talk about it..."soy
taino"...well...now it's true. Janemas
January
2, 2003 -- Latino Discussion: To Janemas and Chincub
In fact
Canadians do make fun of the way Americans speak, but as you probably
hinted, it is typically in good fun.
However, if a Nicaraguayan was to make fun of a Mexican's way of speaking,
I am sure the Mexican would take it to heart a lot more.
One note:
You should be aware (if you're not already)that many US news networks
such as CNN and CBS have recognized Canadian English difference and
selected over the years quite few Canadians for prime time news. These
news are typically broadcasted locally and internationally. This may
all be beside the point but all in good fun, right?
TO CHINCUB
Here's an interesting source: http://www.strategis.gc.ca/SSG/bi18353e.html
Jose
January
3, 2003 -- TO Chincub
PS Costa
Rica was wrong? I only put 94%(not 90%) because at that point, I thought
you'd get the picture and instead used the majority. Were you trying,
or not trying to be sarcastic? Why don't you instead enlighten us
on the beauty and history of Chino Cubanos? Did you know that Machito
and Graciela were of AfroChincub decent? Janemas
January
17, 2003 -- LATINOS
what
load of crap this is. you know white people look at us as poor spanish
people that eat bean and work for 8 dollars an hour. sometimes there
is high educated latin people but those people think there better
than other latin people. I live in vancouver in a small town in langley
and all spanish people try to act like they were white. what that
h_ll is up with that. STICK UP FOR YOUR PEOPLE. VIVA EL SALVADOR.
peace -- Ruben
May
4, 2003 -- To Heidi, Francisco et al
The
whole thing is amusing. The topic is amusing, but most amusing is
to see how you misunderstand and misquote one another. I would suggest
all parties to read the whole "cadena" from the beginning.
Really. If I were a hothead, I'd be questioning a lot of people's
IQ's, I must say.
May
4, 2003 -- To Heidi
Heidy
heidy heidy, first a little lesson about music, not just salsa. There
is not a rhythm or melody that has not already been constructed or
written; and if you're sure you have heard something new, (which is
highly and I mean highly doubtful) you should tell them to send it
to the United Kingdom where from the late 1800's they still have a
price bag of millions of pounds for the person that can acomplish
this feat. So whatever son, rhythm, melody etc., that you think is
new-it has been done. Just because you read it somewhere or hear it
from a show or a friend, doesn't make it a fact; do your home
work. It will take you years before you might come to a conclusion
that still will be lacking (since true history is a subject that is
still being hidden from all of us, musically and in most other aspects
as well).
Just because you hear a fusion of two different instruments on a record
or on the radio that you haven't heard before, doesn't make it new.
You shouldn't give credit just because whatever country or race brings
a rhythm to the masses first. When something is claimed as being new,
history must be implemented to prove it's originality. There is
only so many rhythm patterns and melodies.
Oh, and when I said that all latinos were the same and that we should
not behave the way I've read in this site. Yes we are all the same
and yes we do have different cultural
influences but that's not what this discussion was about. This discussion
originated because of your "unintentioned?"jab at Canadian
latino's as being uneducated, unsophisticated, "corriente",etc.,pple,
which many of us Canadian latinos took as offenseive. Thats why so
many pple have written in response to your ignorant comments. But
i guess its not your fault; you just need to be educated, and by that
i don't mean in any post secondary institution, but by your life experiences;
and
judging by your present school status, as well as your immature views
and comments, you have plenty of time.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND REPRESENT. THE LINK ON THE SITE IS CALLED DISCUSSION
FORUM, NOT "PUT DOWN YOUR HABLA HISPANA PEOPLE."
To the creators of this site who are not spanish, thank you for taking
interest in our afro-latin music and our culture. You're doing a great
job but it makes me a little sad that a latino did not come up with
the idea; but like they say, it's the message that
matters and you have provided an avenue that was missing in T.O. and
for that I thank you. Papi
January
19, 2004 -- acknowledge the source
Heidy, I hate to tell you this, but you didn't invent writing
elitist, self-loathing nonsense. It's been around for a while. So get
off Rodrigo’s ass.
And, while I admit that your elitist self-loathing nonsense is better
written than his, its not exactly "100 Años de Soledad"
when it comes to imagination, either. Get a grip. I think its funny
that his poor english skills bother you so much that you totally disregard
the fact that he agrees with you. Do you think him corriente based on
his writings? Maybe you think he’s a wannabe trying to breakout
of his naco skin. Could you just see him sitting around in his purple
suit and gold chains typing away, feverishly referring back to crap
you wrote three years ago? I dont know about all that.
But don't worry, sweetness, there's plenty of room for another snob
at this party, with or without good english skills. Plus, I'm sure that
you're getting all the credit you deserve for your profound and enlightning
thoughts. Speaking of crap you wrote three years ago how's it going
at New Momentos ? You hip, affluent kids still listening to Rock en
espanol? Or did someone figure out that its roots are, like salsa, with
po' black folk. Yup. Its true. Rock en español came from American
rock, which came from blues, which came from, you guessed it... poor
black people. Latins telling Latins they are or are not "authentic"
based on the way they dress, or do their hair, speak, how much they
make, where they were born, what music they listen to, where they live,
education level, where and how they dance, or what they eat for breakfast?
Very sad. This is Salsa website right? Henry Fiol Lyrics: quando el
bacalao cambiaron por hamberger y coca-cola tus bellas amapolas, en
la nieve marchitaron los sangri-frios reclamaron esa gente no es de
aqui y yo que reconoci el veneno en la jugada por la puerta cerrada
a la brava me meti, bonko -e
June
22 , 2004 -- To Heidy
I am a woman from New York of Puerto Rican descent who just
so happened to come across this website. It seems to me that there are
way to many generalizations across the board.
Yes, I love salsa and love to dance to it. Is that such a bad thing?
I, in contrary to what some of you seem to think, do not assume that
this is all Latinos listen to. I am not ignorant to the fact that there
are many different kinds of music from the various Latin countries.
I think it is ashame that people feel the need to judge others based
upon what they assume their cultural knowledge is. Who is anyone to
say whether they are more "Latino" than others. My grandparents
came here from campos in PR to make a better life for their family and
I am extremely proud of that. We should all be proud of other Latinos
that are trying to make better lives for themselves and their families.
What makes us Latin is not what type of music we listen to or how well
we speak the language but it is our history. We all share a common history.
If you feel salsa is a sterotypical type of music and prefer not to
listen to it it is your choice, but you shouldn't knock its success
either. If it is something North American Latinos feel they can relate
to I think it is great.
BTW, not only North American Latinos are listening to Salsa and Merengue.
If people are becoming more accepting to Hispanic culture you should
encourage that and then educate and introduce more of our culture as
to prevent the negative stereotypes not add to them by putting others
down. Maria
March
31, 2005 --
I am a Canadian Latino and i dont apreciate being called "lower
class" or Heidy saying that we listen to salsa because we think
it makes us more Latino. Just imagine, Many Americans think that most
Mexicans are wetbacks that crossed the border illegaly, and that you
all listen to nortenas and eat beans with nopales all the time. im sure
you dont apreciate if people make generalizations like that about you.
So please dont do the same to others......You are only a student here
for a short while, You dont really know the Latin community here. just
because you went to a few clubs in Toronto you think you know and have
the right to judge?? Yes we have our problems like any other community,
but you have absolutley no right to judge anybody.
Salsa has its origins in Cuban music, But the music we call salsa gots
its start in the working class neighborhoods of New York city. Puerto
Ricans were the main ones but there were many other latinos aswell.
Salsa Music unites people, thats the great thing about it!! One of the
graetest Salsa singers of all times is from Panama, And his name is
RUBEN BLADES!!!!!!!!!
And i leave u with these lyrics from part of his song "plastico".
Que viva Latino America!!!!!!!...
Oye latino oye hermano oye amigo Nunca vendas tu destino por el oro
ni la comodidad Nunca descanses pues nos falta andar bastante Vamos
todos adelante para juntos terminar Con la ignorancia que nos trae sugestionados
Con modelos importados que no son la solución No te dejes confundir
Busca el fondo y su razón RECUERDA SE VEN LAS CARAS PERO NUNCA
EL CORAZON No te dejes confundir Busca el fondo y su razón Recuerda
se ven las caras Pero nunca el corazón Recuerda se ven las caras
Y jamás el corazón Se ven las caras se ven las caras valla
pero nunca el corazón Del polvo venimos todos y allí regresaremos
como dice la canción Se ven las caras se ven las caras valla
pero nunca el corazón Recuerda que el plástico se derrite
si le da de lleno el sol Se ven las caras se ven las caras valla pero
nunca el corazón Se ven las caras se ven las caras valla pero
nunca el corazón Estudia trabaja y se gente primero allí
esta la solución Se ven las caras se ven las caras valla pero
nunca el corazón Pero que mira mira no te dejes confundir busca
el fondo y su razón Se ven las caras se ven las caras valla pero
nunca el corazón Pa’lante pa’lante pa’lante
pa’lante pa’lante y así seguiremos unidos Y al final
venceremos Se ven las caras se ven las caras valla pero nunca el corazón
Pero señoras y señores En medio del plástico también
se ven las caras de esperanzas Se ven las caras orgullosas que trabajan
por una LATINO AMERICA UNIDA! Y por un mañana de esperanza y
libertad Se ven las caras de trabajo y de sudor De gente de carne y
hueso que no se vendió De gente trabajando buscando el nuevo
camino Orgullosa de su herencia y de ser latino DE UNA RAZA UNIDA, LA
QUE BOLIVAR SONO Siembra! Panamá, Presente Puerto Rico, Presente
México, Presente Venezuela, Presente Perú, Presente Republica
Dominicana, Presente Cuba, Presente Costa Rica, Presente Colombia, Presente
Honduras, Presente Ecuador, Presente Bolivia, Presente Argentina, Presente
Nicaragua sin somoza! Presente El Barrio, Presente La esquina
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