April 9, 2003

Comments on the 2003 Berlin Salsa Competition

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April 7, 2003 --

What were Pawel and Dora thinking? What were the judges thinking? The routine was not salsa. It was modern dance and not very good at that.

I can't beleive Bong and partner weren't on the podium when their routine was all salsa -- Anonymous


April 7, 2003 -- Berlin Salsa competition

To Anonymous... just so you understand a little more about what happened with some of the couples and what competitors have to endure at times...

"What were Pawel and Dora thinking?" Well actually, even though I didn't understand their routine at the time, I admired their courage to take salsa to a another artistic or creative level that may not always be appreciated by the general public -- they reminded me of the ice dancers (can't recall their names right now) who were originally Canadian but skating for France and never could win the gold but admired by many for their innovative ice-dance choreography. Always taking it to another level, but never fully appreciated by the judges. I thought through my digi-camera that on an artistic level, it was beautiful to capture on film, but didn't understand what they were trying to portray to the music. Unbeknownst to all of us, the music system was missing a channel and none of us heard the piano which is a predominant part of the music and we mostly heard the bass; and a good portion of their choreography was centered around the piano instrumentation. Therefore, we had no clue as to how they were interpreting teh music; and the music almost didn't sound like salsa at all -- although it is a fast and progressive piece.

Regarding Bong and Irina, after reviewing my video footage -- I loved their routine as it portrays a different style that isn't always seen in the regular salsa circuit and the music they chose to perform to which was very addictive; but unfortunately for them, they missed hand connections and slipped a few times as the stage was very slippery and it was more obvious in their routine than in the 3 winning couples; or they definitely would have had a chance to place in the Top 3. It also didn't help that Irina had a very bad cold which peaked the day of the competition; but she is so professional, you couldn't tell on stage that she wasn't feeling well.

Hopefully this will alleviate some of the confusion; and this is just based on what I know and my own personal opinion of the competition -- Rose

April 7, 2003 -- Berlin Salsa competition

I thought the competition was pretty good and fair. But I wish they would try to make it a little different from other salsa competitions like Mayan. The level of dancing was pretty high. But I could have a used a little more variety in the dancing more than costumes and music. I think many of the dancers had the same teachers, ie., same spins, same dips, etc. although the dancing was more varied with the couples separated.

My favourite couple was Bong and Irina. I don't know what happened, but they were off a little. With the Cubans Bong is hanging out with, I wish they had danced in a more Cuban style. Maybe they thought and (rightly so !) that if they danced in a more Cuban style, they would have no chance of winning the contest.

I am not a big fan of lifts and dips or English music in Salsa contests (unless it is English salsa music). And many of the contestants chose the same old tired types of salsa music. And I could have used more dancing than gesturing.

I just want to say that Cuban woman girl IRINA is just incredible. She is a goddess. A beautiful woman and dancer. Just watching her for a few mintues was worth the $15 dollars I paid to get and $3 for coat check. For me, she is a dancer without equal in Toronto -- Joekim


April 8, 2003 -- berlin finals

For what it's worth, I just wanted to add my two cents in. I was impressed by all the dancers - although, I didn't quite get the two snowflakes/gnomes routine. If it's modern salsa, then it's modern salsa and not just salsa.

As for Irina, WOW! I was totally blown away. She totally captivates you when she dances, and boy can she dance. And, it had nothing to do with spins or splits - I personally don't care for acrobatics in salsa. It had more to do with her natural talent - she was fluid, smooth, seamless and made it look effortless. I also think that she has this rare ability to be in the music when she dances, as opposed to dancing to the music.

All in all, it was a great evening of salsa -- Anonymous



April 8, 2003 -- your comment about the no flash rules

Rose, most professional dancers with a long-standing history of performing on a stage, know why a no flash rule is important. All it takes is one time for that flash to go off in your eyes when you are doing a spin and have your spotting thrown off - and, there goes your balance. It can lead to a fall, and maybe even an injury -- Anon

Dear Anon, don't get me wrong, I also understand why there would be a "no flash" rule, BUT in the past two years of photographing the Berlin Competition, I ALWAYS talk to the dancers after their performance and of all the dancers I asked, they've always told me that they NEVER notice the flash and many of the pros insist that I keep my flash on as they know I get such amazing sharp pics with my camera when the flash is on...



April 8, 2003 -- Berlin comp

Rose! I gotcha loud and clear!

I admire Pawel and Dora's courage for trying something new and different, and I'm glad that they are pushing the envelope and presenting us with new ways to think about salsa.

However, I feel that it was a bit too new and different for a salsa competition and, even though Bong and Irina were a bit sloppy at times, they should have received more marks for dancing more salsa (because it was a salsa comp right?).

I just thought that Pawel and Dora were serious about winning and I don't think that routine, even without the technical difficulties, cut the mustard. -- Anon



April 8, 2003 -- Berlin comp

I agreed with the professional results.

Sonia and Moris got first place as deserved. Good timing, turn patterns, and interplay - closer to Salsa.

Ana and Orville - I liked to concept better, but just got edged out by the Montreal couple.

Pawel and Dora - good concept, but they need to work on the communicating clearly what their program is all about.

Amateurs...
I would have switched the first couple to be the second. No matter how good the showmanship was (and if you're definition of showmanship is just how you can get the crowd going and I can see why would they win from a commercial art point of view. There was no balance, the program was all about him (forget her), but I would have still placed them second at least, but then again I'm not a dance instructor, so what do I know!!

Everyone did a good job, except the DJ -- Anonymous


April 9, 2003 -- berlin comments

What a wonderful Berlin competition finals!

I think all the couples did extremely well. I am not sure who should have placed 3rd in pros but regarding the fact that Irina slipped more, well Pawel and Dora had the music problems, so there were issues for both of them. Are there anything in the rules about ties? or do they not allow for that possibility because of the prizes...anyways, all the professionals put on a fabulous show!

The amateurs really put in a great effort this year however I agree with the other comment, that the 2nd place austin powers people should have been 1st. They had good showmanship too and also more salsa and fluidity. They really enjoyed themselves on stage and the concept of the routine was great...mojo and the glow stick, and the very smooth flips and turns too. The other couples did absolutely fabulous as well and I commend the 1st place couple on their wonderful showmanship and energy. They definitely inspire other amateurs to just go out and have fun. 3rd place couple did a good job overall, maybe deserving a 2nd place for them because again, more salsa and smoothness.

In any case, judging can always be somewhat controversial and ALL THAT REALLY COUNTS IS THAT ALL THE COUPLES REALLY DID PERFORM THEIR HEARTS OUT AND EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THAT. GREAT JOB! And great job to the crowd who were so supportive of ALL the dancers...great cheering no booing...that's true Toronto Spirit! -- Anonymous


April 9, 2003 -- Berlin competition

Congratulations to John and Monika,
You certainly had the crowd going. I think you had the best presentation. You knew what it took to win a competition like this. Personally I think your actual salsa dancing needs a little work though. But your win was well deserved. You were better than the other couples.

Now that you guys have won a trip to Cuba. I hope you won't feel so proud that you won't take salsa lessons with some Cubans teachers in Cuba. Cuban salsa is very different from from your style of salsa, but it will certainly help your style in terms of feeling more relaxed, varying your basic steps and your timing with the clave. I hope Cuba will be an eye opener for you.

For all those going to the Salsa Congress in Cuba, please try to mix with the local people and not just stay on the beach and other tourist areas. It remains to be seen how Cuban this salsa congress is. I really wonder if Cubans instructors will be allowed to teach beside their American counterparts. The groups that are advertised are among the best on the island. But also wonder if Cubans will be allowed in these concerts or if the admission fees will be too high for Cubans. I know most salseros just want to go because because they just want a warm place to take classes with their favourite New York and LA style teachers. They are too proud to take classes with Cuban teachers in Cuba. Or they think they will go to a Cuban club just to wow Cubans. They should try Cuban style dancing because it is more natural and Cuba is the home of salsa. If these salseros are not too close minded, Cuba will certainly be a eye opener -- Mechy


March 21, 2003 -- Cliques/Berlin

Rose, You were bang on when you talked about the enthusiasm displayed by the amateurs in the Berlin competition as a reflection of what the competition, and salsa in Toronto, should be all about. The Toronto pros are always great to watch, but it's the time and attention given to the amateurs that makes Berlin stand out from other competitions. It fosters a feeling of inclusiveness that appears to be desperately needed here, given the recent spate of commentaries on the Toronto cliques and the perception of salsa instructors and their entourage as being aloof and unapproachable.

Most competitions are geared solely toward professionals. Even competitions classified as "open" are essentially professional - amateurs can enter, but how many want to go up against more experienced, technically superior dancers who teach and perform on top of competing? If calling a competition "open" vs. "professional" were the only barrier to getting more amateurs involved, then you'd see more amateurs entering the professional comps - after all, you don't have to prove you're a pro, you just have to be ineligible as an amateur.

The gap between the amateur level criteria at Berlin (never competed before, or belonged to a dance troupe) and the professional level (teachers, professional performers) is huge, and I think there is enormous untapped potential there in terms of developing amateur dancers and increasing interaction amongst the various Toronto schools and groups through competition.

Of the couples who won the amateur division at Berlin over the last three years, two of them have at least one partner who subsequently moved up to the professional level. For most Berlin amateur dancers, however, this is the exception, not the norm. The Berlin criteria specifically states that "amateur" is only for people who have never competed before (although the mom-and-son team keep coming back each year, but I guess since they haven't made it to the finals nobody is objecting, myself included). So you compete once, get your feet wet, get a taste of competition, get better, and then suddenly it's move up or drop out. Your options are now "professional" level, or "open" level - which is really professional by another name.

What I'd like to see at the Berlin competition is a return to a three-tier category level with some modifications. What is now called "amateur" should be reclassified as "novice" or "newcomer", with the same rules currently in place - a category for people totally new to competition. The professional level would also maintain the same criteria (performers, teachers, etc.) and the middle category would be "amateur" - a place for people who do not teach or belong to a dance troupe (and the majority of salsa dancers in Toronto fall into this category) but still want the opportunity to compete. And to keep things fresh, a 1st place finish at this level would render the recipients ineligible to compete at the same level the following year, even if they don't turn pro, so as to ensure at least some new faces in the top three placings each year.

There is a large pool of ex-amateur Berlin competitors (including some winners) who have not made the jump to the professional level for numerous reasons: the time and energy commitment to compete professionally is enormous, the availability of partners is limited, or perhaps they just feel that their level of experience and/or ability is inadequate for that level. I think that if an "amateur", in addition to "newcomer", category were established, many of these people would eagerly return. The success of the Soles Dance Studio student choreography program is due in part, I believe, to the large number of intermediate level salsa dancers in Toronto who are anxious to push their salsa to a higher level, and at the same time show others what they can do.

Competition is a great way to achieve this - and it puts names to faces, breaks the ice, and mixes people together who might otherwise never meet because they dance socially at different clubs or naturally gravitate towards the dance students they know from their classes and student groups, and with whom they are therefore more familiar and comfortable.

The emphasis in competition and performing will always be on the professionals, but as we can see from some of the recent e-mails to TOSalsa.com, some members of the Toronto salsa community feel resentment towards those who hold the status of "professional", because they perceive those with this label (and that's all it really is, just a label, deserved or not) as making them insular as a group, held apart and above everyone else.

Shifting and maintaining some of the focus onto amateurs might go a long way towards improving cohesiveness in the Toronto salsa scene, and I believe that it would also raise the overall standard of dancing in this city. -- Rita


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